Jason welcomes legendary Canadian poet Susan Musgrave and the two get to gabbing—about Leonard Cohen, the House of Carnage, ghosts, grief, stones, Sharon Olds, pre-traumatic stress disorder, how to read poetry, and relearning that the table isn't there—until they run out of time, long before they ever get around to any of Susan's early work. "I've got to go pick up a pizza," she said, "and then I'm going to Ireland." Susan will be back in Part 2 with some early writing, but, in the meantime, here's a beautiful chance to listen to her talk, with characteristic candor and intelligence, about how she bears the weight and how she decides which wolf to feed. Music by the mischevious DJ Max in Tokyo. Join the early sh*t chat at https://www.facebook.com/WRTESpodcast & on Instagram @writersreadtheirearlyshit. You can also send an email to WritersReadTheirEarlyShit@gmail.com. Many thanks, wherever & whoever & however you are, for listening.Buzzsprout - Let's get your podcast launched!